| Shareholder Opinion: Pleas to shareholders backfire: resources super-profits tax |
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SHAREHOLDERS, rather than taking the advice of the government to encourage miners to calm down and back off, are right behind the campaign to raise awareness of the stupidity of the resources super-profits tax. The mining companies' owners delight in the effectiveness of the full-page advertisements being taken out. Furthermore, a well-funded blitz in the marginal seats in Western Australia will undoubtedly see the desired result. Queensland is the next most affected state. With Premier Anna Bligh openly questioning the tax, particularly its effect on liquefied natural gas projects, it is clear the government underestimated both the depth of feeling on this issue and the number of key seats that will be adversely affected. Extractive industries are the engine of the Australian economy, and their contribution to government coffers has substantially increased over the past decade, with very little protest. Who would have thought the introduction of a substantial new tax immediately before an election could be a political party's undoing? Unfortunately, the history played out by the GST saga has been forgotten. With the opinion polls trending poorly and only months to arrest the slide, this tax threatens to hang over the government all the way through to election day. Endless rhetoric will not appease. Share prices are down because miners have received the rough end of the stick. Even Peabody's bid for Macarthur Coal was reduced from $16 to $15, a direct outcome of the super-profits tax. For the government, action is the only way to recapture the trust of shareholders. But the government is in a pickle because since the backdown on the emissions trading scheme, not to mention the other initiatives that have come back to bite the government, any reversal of the announced tax will be highly damaging to the reputation of the Prime Minister. Perceptions that he is a lame duck will not help him in the polls. It is a pity the super-profits tax misstep will be what moulds shareholder opinion of the government. In reality, the Rudd government has been relatively shareholder-friendly. The reform pipeline has been full for many years, and economic management has been exemplary. Shareholders have seen an unrelenting flow of problems for the past few years and the government has responded. It gave shareholders a say on exorbitant chief executive termination payouts; it fixed disclosure of short selling in this country; it is going to make sure shareholder class-action lawsuits against companies are available to smaller investors; and it is about to overhaul executive remuneration in Australia. Voters in BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and Telstra will no doubt see things differently. Their view is of a government that does not consult, does not listen, and acts before thinking. Causing billions to be wiped off the values of these companies does not endear one to a shareholder's heart.
This article by Stuart Wilson, Chief Executive Officer of the Australian Shareholders' Association featured in his weekly Shareholder Opinion column in The Australian on Wednesday, 10 May 2010. |
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In this "crying wolf" exercise in opposing a tax on mining profits over and above current interest rates you certainly don't speak for me. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
If you consider some projects in Africa, (which could have more significant risks) over Australian projects purely because "they are more tax friendly", that seems ill-thought out - and with fewer jobs here.
No investment in anything should be made 'purely on tax concerns', but this is forcing them to.
How about the banks, with their huge resources ? (deposit base) - some of which could be argued belongs to Australian retail customers ? Do we tax them as well on funds acquired here, and effectively force them to borrow overseas at much higher rates to escape a tax ?
The profits belong to the shareholders - who risked their money in the business too. It is a bit rich to want all the upside with none of the down. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
They are also paying a substantial amount in dividends to Australian domiciled shareholders.
Surely this cannot be brushed aside as a nil contribution.
A company allocates scarce capital to projects giving the best return on that investment.
A multinational has many investment opportunities in many countries.
If there are more attractive opportunities in other countries, then a Company will invest in the more attractive projects.
The danger to Australia is that once a decision to invest in a "foreign" project is made, the decision cannot be reversed, all investment in that project will be lost to Australia.
Olympic Dam is an example, a long term investment spread over many years.
How dumb is Canberra?
regards Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
The problem is that our political leaders are happier dealing in spin rather than facts.
Questions I would like to see answered are as follows:
(1) Why wasn't Proffesor Garnaut, who has been studying this type of tax for 30 years not consulted?
(2)Why did Dr Henry seek out some obscure report from the U.S.A regarding the tax paid by miners rather than use readily available figures from the A.T.O.
(3) Why was the existing tax regime applied to the petroleum industry not implemented.
I"m not holding my breath! Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
They all want the upside but don't want to put their money where their mouth is like the REAL shareholders. They'll soon learn how risky and expensive the dirt game can be when mining companies go broke or make a loss and start asking for their 40% writeoff handouts. Good luck with that last bit !
If they feel so strongly about it, go to the mines department in your state and peg your claim, explore, risk your money in starting your business, maybe find something after sweating in 40c heat, dig it out, sell it at the prevailing commodity price (if you can find someone to buy it off you) and then see how you feel. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
1) it is plain that neither the bureaucrats nor the goverment understand it.We just get spin, rhetoric and outright duplicity from this government.
2) the goverment has managed to turn simple projects like insulating roofs, BER, and issuing computers to schools into national disasters, while making a laughing stock of our country with its antics over climate change, building a NBN and now the "super" tax. Add in the gross waste of billions of dollars and you have to ask yourself how they could possibly not screw up a seriously complex matter like this tax?
3) I want my grandchildren to have a job.
Everyone must pay tax. I'd rather grow taxes by growing the economy.You dont grow taxes by having an economy which is being choked by people who have never worked in the REAL world. People who have no idea of the risk taking, vision, sweat and capital that it has taken to build and sustain this country.
Len G Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
The largest parcels of shares, i.e. the voting power is held by other Boards. Most Directors have apparently so much time and energy to spare that they sit on several Boards using their experience ,networking(ins ide info?), to vote for whatever best suits their mutual objectives. So-called “independent “ auditors and advisors are NOT independent because they are engaged & paid by the Boards.
I could go through line after line of your article but let’s just do your first two paragraphs.
In your opening sentence: who are these Shareholders in the campaign against the proposed resources tax? They are NOT the ordinary shareholders but the clique of intertwined Boards.
Who pays for those full-page ad’s? I bet that it does not in any way diminish the remuneration and perks of those Boards teams and advisors. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Firstly the resources being taxed are not the property of the Commonwealth but belong to individual states. Mining companies pay royalties for the privilege of mining these resources.
Resource companies pay tax so do their employees, with the average Mining Wage in excess of $100,000 this is a huge tax base the governement is attacking.
The impact of the tax is 55% reduction in NPV on one project I have seen detailed modelling for.
The tax in the treasury papers is justified on rebating 40% of losses in non profitable operations, this encourages poor decisions and the Australian tax payer rebating losses by Chinese State Owned Enterprises.
It is about time the governement worked to facilitate deveopment and real job creation rather than trying to shut down a successful part of the economy.
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and belong to all Australians.Even though I may be worse off financially if this tax is implemented in the present form I will accept that.The few voices of reason that have commented also do not feel it will be the end of the world for us.Whilst the major opponents of the tax couch their criticism in terms of defending the workers,the shareholders,th e communities or even the whole Australian economy,none actually admit that their main concern is that it might effect their bonus's.They should not have to worry..just change the hurdle rate for their options at the next AGM and all will be solved. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
1 The arrogant, non consultative manner of it's announcement is the antithesis of good democratic processes, and is in marked contrast to how they've approached other issues. To me Rudd Swan's ' these mineral assets belong to all Australians ' is simplistic and cynical, playing to the public gallery, who will typically think 'Yeah that's right '
2 We have a company tax which should appply equally : it is not fair that successful companies are targeted for higher taxation. Personal income taxes are supposed to apply equally : we don't target people in occupations which we think are too profitable and tax them more.
3 The proposal to effectively punish successful companies by allowing unsuccessful ones a 40 % rebate on their losses is akin to the AFL during a match deducting 40 % of a winning team's score and donating it to the losing team Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Seeing Australia assessed by Wall Street as having the behaviour towards investors 'as that expected of a tin pot African country'is clearly damaging to our international reputation and hence to our vital interests.
I helped to vote the government in. Because of a stone wall refusal to negotiate on the main points of the tax I am going to vote it out.
David Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
the tax should go further and apply to all mining projects, not just those earning super profits. Rapid development of our mineral resources can only occur with the aid of foreign labour and capital, with the result that most of the additional income generated will go to persons not current residents of Australia. If we notionally subtract the environmental depreciation incurred (loss of non-renewable resources), Australia could be net losers from additional mineral exploitation. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
The proceeds of the tax needs to be used to increase the wealth of the country and not dissipated on political handouts. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
PS. I am West Australian, a director of a company that provides services to the mining industry and I own a small number of shares (with declining values) in mining and mining services companies. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
As a self funded retiree dependent on share income I plan ahead for my needs and will be disadvantaged by retrospectivity of this tax. The war of words and figures and the source of the policy is becoming more and more confusing. The lack of consultation on this matter is also a source of real concern as is the PM's adamant It is Going to Happen because I Say So attitude.The Treasurer seems more conciliatory but also not very convincing in his argument for this tax.
I oppose it and doubt it is really a "Super Profits Tax"… just a quick fix for politicians facing a mounting debt problem Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Rudd obviously needs a top up after wasting millions on useless projects. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
It is too easy to forget what it is like to be working for a company which has no work, no enquiries and little hope.
The government should be very careful that they are not sending us down this path again.
The memories of Whitlam' government are should be refreshed. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Cheap comments about foreigners owning BHP are false as it is at least 60 percent Aussie.(false statement by Rudd)
This tax will affect superannuation investments, decreasing profits and will make everything so much dearer for the consumer. It affects every product from gravel for roads to fuel.
Canada pays much less tax as only 13 percent. Even China says we shall lose our competitive edge if it is implemented Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
1When mining companies state royalties are added in their total tax is 41.3%. This is from the ATO own date. See this link for confirmation http://www.ato.gov.au/corporate/content.asp?doc=/content/00225078.htm&page=10&pc=001/001/009/005&mnu=43433&mfp=001&st=&cy=1.
2 The tax was introduced with no consultation. It this had happened the Govt could have avoided a lot of the current flak
3 If it is to be a super tax then why not base the trigger point at well above the average weighted cost of capital which has been put at the bond rate!!. That is not a super profit. If the additional tax did come in when "super profits" were being made there would be far less aggro. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Like Ron P I worked in the international oil industry for 20 years and remember arriving in New Zealand in the late 1970's where oil exploration had stopped entirely for an extended period due to the tax regime and only restarted when the NZ gov't set up its own oil company which contracted us to explore for oil.
How did we ever believe these morons could run the country and elect them to government??? Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Also Barry Chapman and this was a great and true comment by Kerry Packer - absolutely on the ball.
And in reality if you knew tax would hit you hard at a certain level why would you work harder to achieve a higher price for your commodity or effort - may as well stick with mediocrity - excessive tax does not reward high achievers. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Of course they winge about paying more tax. Doesn't everybody! But it is not more tax on everything, only an increase in tax on the super profit portion.
They do enjoy many benefits in exploration and depreciation, etc.,the normal costs in their business; at the taxpayers expense. They already pay less tax than in many other countries, given all the "incentives" they have.
The benefits to Australia as a whole are greater given the Government's super profit tax, than the narrow distribution of returns to shareholders. For an Australian resource that is reasonable. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
The government has badly bungled the announcement of the tax (which should never have been called a tax) and needlessly invited the hysterical reaction of the mining companies and the Opposition. Talk about an own goal.
Predictably the mining companies are purveying half truths. Their main (unspoken) concern may be that other countries will follow Australia's lead and introduce similar taxes. That will only increase Australia's competitiveness . I'd respect their views more if it weren't for the bloated salaries at the top, the incompetence (eg Rio's alumunium venture) - and if there was some holistic integrity in their arguments. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
I agree with Ern Hemmings, Pete, Keith Potts and, to some extent, with Ian staples.
This is a misguided tax that will negatively affect every sector of the Australian society. Remember, Wesfarmers is also a very profitable coal miner. Watch our grocery prices rise if this tax comes in. Every super fund and most companies of any size have mining shares.
I DO think that state laws need amending so that a miner cannot just come in and start digging up prime rural land, but that is another issue.
Yet another unwise decision from the financially naîve Federal Labor Government. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
1.The average effective tax rate across the mining industry is 23%. In Australia it is 16.4%. (Ref. Peter Hartcher, SMH, News Review, May 29-30 pge 9)
2. Business faces multuple risks. The risk of governments changing tax arrangements is just another one.
3. BHP's earning per share jumped from 26 cents in 2002 to $US2.75 by 2008.
4. Rio Tinto's revenue moved from $US8.46 billion in 2002 to $US54.26 billion in 2008.
5. Norway has a resources rent tax of 50%and company tax paid on top of that. The world's major oil companies are still drilling in Norwegian waters. (Ref. Ian Verrender, SMH 29-30 May, Weekend Business , page 5, ref points 3,4,5)
6.Treasury figures show that royalty payments have slipped from 32% of profits in 2003-04 to 14% by 2008-09. Ref. Ross Gittins, SMH, Weekend Business, May 29-30, page 5.)
The Australian community deserves to share in this wealth. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
1. Tax whatever you like but remember that as soon as tax goes over 50% its more profitable to avoid tax than to produce.
2.No finance department would ever allow me to make an investment on the grounds that if it failed the company might recover some cash in five or ten years time. I was expected to make the project work.Therefore the the partial recovery of losses will always be valued at zero for investment purposes.
3.Australia has a good reputation for not changing rules retrospectively . Lets keep it. It makes us an attractive place to invest.
4. If you take more from the mining industry (or any other)in Australia more investments will shift else where.
5.I don't criticize Governments for back-flips after making mistakes I think it should should be mandatory.
6. "I fear the dullard for the knave" from Stupidity by Mary Fullerton-its worth a read.
I fear the Government is the dullard. Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
Super profits are normally cnsidered to begin from about 12% pa . Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
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